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monkeyfisterTue Feb-17-04 09:44 AM
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"Draft Warning Bumped to "Code Blue""


          

The mullets at Daytona failed to line up for military service this weekend. There is a palpable heaviness here at Navy Recruiting Command, and nobody who was there seems to want to comment on the horrible return on the NASCAR investment.

Army and Marines gave away tons of goodies, but NO ONE was willing to talk or sign a contract. They say the results were "dreary". The code word here has shifted from "active recruiting" to "awareness," and that has my hackles up.

The "National Call To Service" has just been fully implemented (just last week), but so far there are very few takers. The Army Nat'l Guard is giving away TONS of free money and college tuition waivers for anyone who will sign on, but the desperation seems palpable with that crowd.

CODE BLUE-- What's that mean?

Well, it all depends on Nov. 2nd... If Shrubby gets elected-- count on the draft gates beginning to open by Spring 2006 to Fall of same year. I just got word, that my biggest arguement AGAINST the Draft-- lack of buildings at RTC's-- is getting chipped at. New buildings ARE being built at Great Lakes RTC, Camp LeJuene, and Ft Leonard Wood. Bad signs.

There is still plenty of time, but one might consider saving up some plane fare, and getting Passports in line for the possibility of the BFEE looking for fresh meat. Even the upper-level guys here, who poo-poo'd the idea of a draft a couple of months ago, are beginning to discuss the possibilities.

NOTHING IS IMMINENT-- This is just a heads-up, but I'll keep the Draft Warning at CODE BLUE until further notice.

MAKE ARRANGEMENTS NOW. DON'T GET CAUGHT UNAWARE.



Tony ABB.
(for the health and welfare of our kids)

"CODE BLUE".
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RE: Hey Monkeyfister:, SDent, Feb-17-04 09:47 AM, #1
It's printable..., monkeyfister, Feb-17-04 10:53 AM, #5
Catching Mullet; Maybe they did'nt use a big enough net., DavidLind, Feb-17-04 10:18 AM, #2
That's classic :), Cronus, Feb-18-04 12:11 AM, #22
Wow, this is alarming, dedalus, Feb-17-04 10:27 AM, #3
Reports coming in: DISMAL, monkeyfister, Feb-17-04 10:46 AM, #4
      Just bad timing..., waldus, Feb-17-04 12:12 PM, #9
           Ha! That's hilarious, RussBLib, Feb-17-04 12:17 PM, #10
Holy shite, samela, Feb-17-04 11:04 AM, #6
Mostly Correct, Sami..., monkeyfister, Feb-17-04 11:22 AM, #7
RE: Holy shite, skywalker77, Feb-17-04 11:26 AM, #8
      Do you think they will draft women?, samela, Feb-17-04 01:39 PM, #11
           Samela and Skywalker..., bigmack2007810, Feb-17-04 03:28 PM, #12
           There is No running., BiggRonn, Feb-17-04 06:04 PM, #15
           Got links?, Zomar, Feb-17-04 07:46 PM, #18
                Zomar-- look at my posts below..., monkeyfister, Feb-17-04 09:04 PM, #19
                RE: Got links?, BiggRonn, Feb-17-04 09:27 PM, #20
           Both funny and scary., skywalker77, Feb-18-04 06:26 AM, #24
           Possibly. If men are, it's only fair., skywalker77, Feb-18-04 06:17 AM, #23
Thanks so much for all the information, snabby, Feb-17-04 04:25 PM, #13
4 Billion for new military housing in Hawaii ..., Brian, Feb-17-04 05:37 PM, #14
Telling signs, Brian..., monkeyfister, Feb-17-04 07:17 PM, #16
      National Call to Service Directive, monkeyfister, Feb-17-04 07:23 PM, #17
      Is anybody LISTENING to the DEMOCRAT candidates?, Brian, Feb-18-04 06:19 PM, #26
I still favor the draft...., CarbonDate, Feb-17-04 10:09 PM, #21
Ties right in with this one, doesn't it?, MadSatyrist, Feb-18-04 02:34 PM, #25

SDentTue Feb-17-04 09:47 AM
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"RE: Hey Monkeyfister:"
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Is this printable or would you rather it stay here?

www.someonetakethewheel.blogspot.com

  

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monkeyfisterTue Feb-17-04 10:53 AM
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"It's printable..."
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Also, Buzzflash has a HUUUUGE and compelling headline on the subject RIGHT NOW. The point in the article is that the BFEE policy of pre-emptive wars demands more cannon fodder. If we cut that policy out, there's no need. I WANT to go back to code GREEN, but it wouldn't be right to do just now.

The hubbub swirling around me is palpable, as my cubby is next to the Captain's office. I hear too much.


Tony ABB.
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DavidLindTue Feb-17-04 10:18 AM
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"Catching Mullet; Maybe they did'nt use a big enough net."
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They were in the right place though, Florida.

http://www.photolib.noaa.gov/fish/fish1165.htm

Photo #2a - A fisherman casting his net for mullet and other fish off a bridge south of Everglades City.

  

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"That's classic :)"
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Thanks for posting it.




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dedalusTue Feb-17-04 10:27 AM
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"Wow, this is alarming"
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Especially coming from you, as you've always been very levelheaded and practical about the issue. So this does prick up my ears.

I wish there was a way to get this story out there, as the message is too important--not just about the possibility of a draft, but of the result of the recruitment effort (are you saying that literally, not a single person signed up?). I mean, here's the all-American spectacle with all sorts of patriotic notes being struck, and out of the hundreds of thousands of people there, the collective answer was "let someone else do it!"

Speaks volumes.

  

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monkeyfisterTue Feb-17-04 10:46 AM
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"Reports coming in: DISMAL"
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"Most" interest was in the Air Force and the Navy, and the recruiters from here who were in Daytona said, "No Contracts, no viable/qualified LEADS." That means the whole expensive effort with NASCAR is pretty much a wash. This was a recruiting last ditch. There is still a whole NASCAR season ahead of us, but the emphasis is now shifted to "Awareness" as opposed to real recruiting.

What really has me perked up, is the reports of new RTC facilities and Barracks being built. One can't have a draft if one has nowhere to HOUSE the Draftees. Well-- Someone's out there building tonight-- KBR is having fun, and the hog appears to be being lead to the chute, as it were. I'll emphasize "APPEARS" here.

Everyone here in Marketing is quiet, and those attached to NASCAR are very quiet, and deep in meetings. These are tough omens.

I'd prefer to see the status return to GREEN, but right now, it's best to assume that if Shrub is re-elected, the excellent adventures will continue, and fresh meat will be required to feed the beast. Their options are being quickly limited. EVERYONE here was expecting fast action at the recruiting booth, and a pile of contracts coming back from the weekend... That didn't happen... at all.

Let's breathe a bit, and just take this for what it looks like-- the talk has shifted into a "when" mode from an "if" mode. But really, it IS an IF issue. IF Bu$h gets elected... THAT'S the hinge as it looks right now. Set some air fare money aside, and get the passports together now so you're not caught out.

One more reason to vote him out.



Tony ABB.
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"Just bad timing..."
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...recruiting at the very beginning of NASCAR season. Who wants to attend basic training while Dale Jr. is at the wheel every week?

Things will pick up after the season.

Waldus
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"Ha! That's hilarious"
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They'll have to catch the entire NASCAR season, and THEN they'll sign up to be killed in Iraq. That's hilarious.

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samelaTue Feb-17-04 11:04 AM
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"Holy shite"
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I suppose some others out there are sitting on a 19-year-old male like I am. I don't suppose being in college will make a difference this time, either.

Holy shite. Now I'm really depressed. And worried.

The forces are so decimated right now, and those who are in would be out in a heartbeat if they weren't under stop loss. I wonder even if a President Kerry could avoid this.

Holy shite.

The mullets aren't biting. Well, they're dumb but they ain't that dumb. There's no nobility in getting your ass shipped out to Eye-rack.




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monkeyfisterTue Feb-17-04 11:22 AM
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"Mostly Correct, Sami..."
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...the bottom line is that either the excellent adventures and the istigation stops, or we get the Draft. That's the low-level scuttlebutt today around here.

Of course, we know how to stop a pre-emptive war policy and constant sabre-rattling... Vote these monsters out in November.

All of my arguements against the draft have been based on lack of facilities to handle it... Those facilities have broken ground, and "National Call To Service" is not turning out the recruits as planned. They just amped up the program another notch over the past two weeks, too.

Code Blue basically means, "there's still time for things to change."

If things get tougher, we'll go to Code Orange-- "get out while the gettin's good," and then finally, Code Red-- "It's here-- and so are YOU, Fool."

So my bump up to code Blue is tentative, but the signs are pointing in this way today. I TRY to err on the side of caution-- especially about something like this.

Tony ABB.
(I'm your shoe in the recruiting machine)

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skywalker77Tue Feb-17-04 11:26 AM
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"RE: Holy shite"
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I know how you feel Samela. I have a 17-year-old daughter and we are not rich or well-connected. She and her little sisters (13 and 8) are extra smart and very athletic, so I was counting on college for them all. I'm afraid the Kentucky National Guard is already full.

  

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samelaTue Feb-17-04 01:39 PM
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"Do you think they will draft women?"
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Could be. My 22 year old (nearly 23) is already out of the country. I doubt they'd take her because she's hearing impaired. But she's got two legs and two arms, so who knows.

Don't change any plans because of this. And I still think it's way too early to even think about National Guard.

The only thing perhaps to think about is applying to some Canadian schools for college. I'm not kidding. There are reasons to do so even aside from having a place to defect to in emergency. First, aside from your state school, the cost of tuition at Canadian schools is a bargain compared to many US institutions, especially with the exchange rate being so favorable (30% on the dollar, I believe). Second, if she's a good student, she has a good chance of getting in at some top schools, especially Univ. of Toronto or McGill, which are top notch. Well, it's something to think about. Though you would have to forego US financial aid. (Which didn't help us out much ... and they even reduced the financial aid package our son was first awarded by the lousy $2,000 a year he earned from winning a National Merit Scholarship; the system sucks.) Of course, there's always the military academies--if you can get in, they're free, ha ha.

I know there are those who would disagree with those of us already bemoaning sending our sons and or daughters into service, when others (especially the poor, minorities, etc. have born the brunt). And while I agree in theory with the idea that the burden should be shared, I just have to remember that this ain't World War II, in which my dad served honorably, on 60 missions in the South Pacific. This is an unjust war with which we disagreed, and a world beset by dangerous policies of an administration we oppose, and a military decimated by its policies. There just ain't no nobility in it.

Send the Bush twins first, then I'll consider my own kids.






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persistent, persuasive and unrealistic.
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"Samela and Skywalker..."
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would you even consider letting your kid be drafted? If there's a draft it will have to include women.

Take the kid to Canada/Sweden/underground.

Ten years ago my kid was concerned about the draft coming back. I told him not to worry... we have a boat and Canada is 2 hours away. He said they might come and get him.. I said "Don't worry... they won't take a guy with a missing right big toe." He said "But I have a right big toe." I said "Not if they try to take you, you won't!"

Anything.... anything... is better than burying a kid for this kinda bullshit.

  

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"There is No running."
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There is no escaping the draft,The chimp signed an executive order saying if you leave to Canada we will come for you or the Canadian goverment will make sure you are sent back,no lie! I read it my self.We are in for one hell of a ride.Also your kid ,once they are at the airport his or her name will be on a list, a no fly list.All this was started when the Monkey was selected as President,this shit goes deep and into the bowels of hell.We have been reading and going over all the things Rumsfield and Rice ,Bush and Cheney and Rove have been doing in the Back room, all these deals and what not ,Well we have 2 options and they both do not look good,Spread the issues and what we discuss here to anybody that will listen and let them know what is at stake.

This is not the United States of America that I grew up in.

  

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"Got links?"
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Do you have evidence? If so, we need it. If not, try to stick to provable points. I approved the post hoping to hear more.

I personally think that if this nation stays on it's present course of Global Empire, a draft will become inevitable. Knowing how this administation operates, the machinery is presently being set up secretly right now, and will be unveiled after (Koresh forbid) Chimpy wins, throws or Diebolds himself back into office. Admittedly, my speculation is just that - speculation - but I have become convinced that the worst you can suspect with this bunch barely scrapes the surface.

Zomar

  

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monkeyfisterTue Feb-17-04 09:04 PM
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"Zomar-- look at my posts below..."
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... to Brian, and the follow-up thread.

There's shape to this-- an actual program launched. Recently.


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"RE: Got links?"
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try here

It has been a while since I saw the link,click on link and scrowl down page and try to find some info,alot of places might be scrubed since I saw it,good luck and I will look also.You might balk at the web site but really they have good archives of info.

Fight the good fight!


http://propagandamatrix.com/archive_police_state.html

  

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"Both funny and scary."
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I agree with you.

Why throw away a promising young life for a worthless PNAC venture?

  

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"Possibly. If men are, it's only fair."
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I appreciate your ideas about Canadian universities, Samela. We never even thought about it, and they probably have a lot to offer, regardless of the draft (shaft) situation.

And like you, I believe that if we faced a legitimate war like WWII (where my dad also volunteered and served when he was 17) then we and our children have a duty to defend our country in the military. I would be trying to convince some branch of the armed forces to take my over-aged self for any purpose including combat. This is not a war to defend us or our allies, and as we have seen, the troops are being underpaid, undersupplied and practically discarded for no good reason.

Thanks, Monkeyfister, for sharing your observations. Maybe we won't be blindsided.

  

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"Thanks so much for all the information"
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It's not what I want to hear, but I really appreciate it, and especially that you are taking some risk by reporting it.

This is just one more in an endless list of reasons why there should hardly be a soul voting for that hideous, lying, manipulative little monkey.

I'm currently lucky that our oldest child is just 10, but who knows, if we have 4 more years of the chimp and then continue the regime with jeb...


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BrianTue Feb-17-04 05:37 PM
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"4 Billion for new military housing in Hawaii ..."
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.... should tell you something. Especially since all of the WW II and Korean era housing has ALREADY been replaced in the last 5-10 years. The war on 'terra' isn't going away anytime soon regardless of who's elected. GWB has dug us in too deep and there's no way out for at least 30 years. Who do you think is going to carry the burden of PAX Americana? Volunteers? Sure, when pigs fly!

  

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monkeyfisterTue Feb-17-04 07:17 PM
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"Telling signs, Brian..."
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Military friends of mine all over the country are saying the same thing. We get Army, Air Force and Marine Recruiters here all the time, and I'm just good in bringing these things into a smoke break conversation. Guys like to talk up their bases. These are not the "last of the Clinton improvements"-- like Brian says: this is NEW construction. Expansion at a time of the lowest recruiting rates since the 70's? WhiskyTangoFoxtrot? Don't make sense, unless you factor in expectation of NEW numbers of troops.

I tend to agree with Mad Satyrist in that when there IS a "Draft" it will be in a really wierd form. The DoD needs Police Troops... well evidenced by now. How do you draft THAT many Cops? You don't. You get DynCorp or another budy to do it for you. Hired corporately--no Gov't liability when a platoon goes whacked-- trained at OUR RTC's. Rummy's dream force-- the Contras could NEVER dream to be these bad cops.

But the way things are going, along with this will be a more pressing, possibly mandatory role for "National Call to Service":

Lite "salesroom" version:
http://www.gibill.va.gov/education/News/ncsbasic.htm

I will post the "national Call to Service" directive-- in all its easy to read miltext glory on the thread below this one. It's a very good thing to get to know, and for your kids to understand. This COULD be mandatory in the next few years. Barely OK benefits vs. what turns into 6 years of potentially getting killed. No committment after that, but at first read, it LOOKS like just a couple of years-- read what ISN'T included in that time-- A-School and other training, leave time, all kinds of stuff-- PLUS a stop-loss clause... NOT COOL.

........ ok... moment of zen.............don't worry...........


So breathe a while, calm out, and then start getting money put aside, and the passports in good shape.

Listen-- THIS is the "draft form" of what the draft will be. or something VERY similar. Men/Women doesn't matter. Don't know of any policy changes toward gays in the military coming any time soon... So, there's always THAT.

Just a moderate change in the Draft-o-Meter, These things sometimes come up abruptly. Sorry for any turbulence createdby this sudden move -- really. Last week and today seemed like two different work spaces-- the excitement, and then the contraction...

The signs point toward a change in the weather, here though. I think it is becoming clear here that money will be taken away here, and given to Army and Marines (part of the Navy, but seperate). Quite honestly, I think that is what they worry about most. The point is that the Army/Marines have one more marketing year before they have to get serious-- provided things remain only status-quo and don't escalate-- caveat. So they are building new facilities in anticipation of Bu$h totally fucking things up. If the crash doesn't come, then the troops we have will get nice new digs... Who knows. I hope it's that's simple-- but, well-- you know George!


I sincerely hope to put it back to green soon. Please note-- I WAS a Boy Scout (Be Prepared is still my motto).

Updates will follow regularly.

I promise.


Tony B.

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"National Call to Service Directive"
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Edited on Tue Feb-17-04 07:26 PM by monkeyfister

          

Holy Jeebus on a thong-- copy and paste this milTEXT jibberish into a Word Doc and change the fonts so you can READ it-- this is some painful shit to look at... ouch.

link:www.usmc.mil/maradmins/maradmin2000.nsf/0/32cbebe5ec1dc94985256dab0057b49d?OpenDocument|SOURCE]


Unclassified-- of course:

NATIONAL DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION ACT 2003 THAT
AMENDS CHAPTER 31 OF TITLE 10, UNITED STATES CODE, PROVIDING THE
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE WITH A NEW SHORT-TERM ENLISTMENT PROGRAM
DESIGNED TO PROMOTE AND FACILITATE MILITARY ENLISTMENT IN SUPPORT
OF NATIONAL SERVICE. THIS AMENDMENT AUTHORIZES A MENU OF INITIAL
ENTRY TRAINING FOLLOWED BY ADDITIONAL SERVICE ON ACTIVE DUTY, IN
THE RESERVE COMPONENTS, OR IN A NATIONAL SERVICE PROGRAM. REF B
IS NATIONAL CALL TO SERVICE DOD IMPLEMENTATION THAT ESTABLISHES
THE DOD POLICY FOR IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS NEW SHORT-TERM ENLISTMENT
OPTION, HENCEFORTH TO BE CALLED THE NATIONAL CALL TO SERVICE
PROGRAM (NCS). REF C ESTABLISHES PROVISIONS FOR RECRUITING NCS
MARINES. REFS D MCO 1130.53P AND E MCO P1300.8R PROVIDE GUIDANCE
FOR THE ASSIGNMENT OF NCS MARINES IN THE ACTIVE AND RESERVE
COMPONENTS RESPECTIVELY. //
GENTEXT/REMARKS/1. KEY PROVISIONS OF THE NCS PROGRAM ARE:
A. ENLISTMENTS UNDER THIS PROGRAM WILL COMMENCE 1 OCTOBER 2003.
CMC (M&RA) IN CONJUCTION WITH MCRC WILL ESTABLISH YEARLY QUOTAS FOR
NCS PROGRAM ENLISTEES. THE QUOTA WILL BE 175 FOR FY04, 250 FOR
FY05, AND 350 IN FY06 AND BEYOND.
B. ENLISTEES UNDER THE NCS PROGRAM WILL INCUR AN EIGHT-YEAR
MANDATORY SERVICE OBLIGATION (MSO) CONSISTING OF 15 MONTHS OF ACTIVE
DUTY AFTER COMPLETION OF INTITIAL ENTRY TRAINING (TO INCLUDE MOS
TRAINING) FOLLOWED BY EITHER REENLISTMENT/EXTENSION ON ACTIVE DUTY
FOR A PERIOD OF AT LEAST 24 MONTHS OF ACTIVE DUTY; OR 24 MONTHS OF
SELECTED RESERVE (SELRES) SERVICE IN ANY OF THE SELRES CATEGORIES
(SMCR UNIT, IMA, AR); FOLLOWED BY REMAINDER OF MSO IN SELRES, IRR,
OTHER NATIONAL SERVICE PROGRAMS (NSP) AS DESIGNATED BY SECDEF
(AMERICORPS VISTA, AMERICORPS NCCC, OR PEACE CORPS), OR ANY
COMBINATION OF THE ABOVE. FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE NCS PROGRAM,
COMPLETION OF MOS SCHOOL IS, DEFINED AS COMPLETION OF ALL MOS
SCHOOLS REQUIRED FOR THE AWARDING OF THE MOS THE NCS MARINE IS
RECRUITED FOR. A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF NCS MARINES WILL BE SELECTED
TO SPEND THEIR ENTIRE ACTIVE DUTY COMMITMENT IN MOS TRAINING IN
ORDER TO ASSIST FILLING CRITICALLY LOW DENSITY HIGH DEMAND MOS IN
THE RESERVE COMPONENT.
C. NCS PARTICIPATION WILL BE LIMITED TO APPLICANTS WHO MEET ALL OF
THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA: NON-PRIOR SERVICE, HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA
GRADUATE (TIER I), AND AFQT CATEGORIES I-IIIA.
D. ANNUALLY, CMC (M&RA) AND MARFORRES WILL DETERMINE THE SPECIFIC
SKILLS AUTHORIZED FOR NCS PARTICIPATION AND PROVIDE THIS LIST TO
SECNAV FOR FORWARDING TO OUSD (P&R). THE SKILLS SELECTED WILL
FACILITATE NATIONAL SERVICE OBJECTIVES AND SELECTED RESERVE
REQUIREMENTS.
E. NCS MARINES WILL BE WORLDWIDE DEPLOYABLE WITHIN CURRENT MARINE
CORPS POLICIES.
F. NCS MARINES WILL BE MANAGED THE SAME AS ALL OTHER MARINES WITH
RESPECT TO PROMOTIONS, UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE, ETC. THEY
MAY ALSO BE ACCESSED IN ADVANCE PAY GRADES IN ACCORDANCE WITH
CURRENT MARINE CORPS POLICIES.
G. NCS ENLISTEES WILL NOT BE ELIGIBLE TO ENROLL IN THE MONTGOMERY
GI BILL (MGIB) AT THE TIME OF ACCESSION. MGIB ENROLLMENT WILL BE
OFFERED IF NCS MARINES EXTEND ON ACTIVE DUTY FOR A PERIOD OF 24
MONTHS.
H. NCS MARINES WILL BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO SELECT ONE OF THE
FOLLOWING INCENTIVE BASED ENLISTMENT OPTIONS:
(1) BONUS OF $5,000 PAYABLE ON COMPLETION OF ACTIVE DUTY OBLIGATION.
(2) REPAYMENT OF QUALIFYING STUDENT LOANS AS DEFINED IN SEC
510(L)(2) OF TITLE 10, UNITED STATES CODE (PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST)
UP TO $18,000 - PAYABLE UPON COMPLETION OF ACTIVE DUTY OBLIGATION.
USMC MAY REQUEST TO SECNAV AND THE UNDERSECRETARY OF DEFENSE TO
APPROVE A LOWER LOAN LIMIT FOR A GIVEN FISCAL YEAR. THIS LIMIT MAY
NOT BE LOWER THAN $10,000 AND MUST BE PAID TO ALL ENLISTEES FOR THAT
YEAR.
(3) EDUCATIONAL ALLOWANCE FOR UP TO 12 MONTHS PAYABLE AT THE MONTHLY
RATE FOR BASIC EDUCATIONAL ASSISTANCE ALLOWANCES UNDER SEC
3015(A)(1) OF TITLE 38 USC. SERVICE MEMBERS MAY BEGIN TO USE THE
BENEFIT AT ANY TIME AFTER COMPLETION OF ACTIVE DUTY OBLIGATION.
BENEFIT WILL CEASE IF NCS MARINE FAILS TO MAINTAIN A SATISFACTORY
SELRES DRILLING STATUS OR FAILS TO COMPLETE THEIR MSO.
(4) EDUCATIONAL ALLOWANCE FOR UP TO 36 MONTHS PAYABLE AT ONE-HALF OF
THE MONTHLY RATE FOR BASIC EDUCATIONAL ASSISTANCE ALLOWANCES UNDER
SEC 3015(B)(1) OF TITLE 38 USC. SERVICE MEMBERS MAY BEGIN TO USE
THE BENEFIT AT ANY TIME AFTER COMPLETION OF ACTIVE DUTY OBLIGATION.
BENEFIT WILL CEASE IF NCS MARINE FAILS TO MAINTAIN A SATISFACTORY
SELRES DRILLING STATUS OR FAILS TO COMPLETE THEIR MSO.
2. THE DD FORM 2863 (WITH APPROPRIATE STATEMENTS OF UNDERSTANDING
(SOU)) WILL BE USED TO DOCUMENT THE INCENTIVE SELECTION AND WILL
BECOME AN ADDENDUM TO THE INDIVIDUAL'S DD FORM 4,
"ENLISTMENT/REENLISTMENT DOCUMENT, ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED
STATES." ALTERNATIVELY, INCENTIVE ELECTION MAY BE ACCOMPLISHED
THROUGH OVERPRINTING OF ALL INFORMATION INCLUDED ON THE DD FORM 2863
ON CURRENT SERVICE ENLISTMENT CONTRACTS.
A. SELECTION OF INCENTIVES IS IRREVOCABLE.
B. INITIAL ENTITLEMENT OF ANY OF THE INCENTIVES DESCRIBED IN PAR 1H
IS PREDICATED ON EITHER COMPLETION OF THE REQUIRED ACTIVE DUTY
COMMITMENT OR REENLISTMENT/EXTENSION ON ACTIVE DUTY FOR A PERIOD OF
AT LEAST TWO YEARS.
C. NCS MARINES WHO FAIL TO COMPLETE THE CONTRACTED MSO SHALL REFUND
A PORTION OF THE INCENTIVE SELECTED BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF COMPLETED
SERVICE. SECNAV MAY WAIVE SUCH PAYMENT, IN WHOLE OR PART, BASED ON
THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE MARINE CORPS.
D. NCS MARINES WHO ELECT EITHER EDUCATIONAL OPTION WHO FAIL TO
COMPLETE THE CONTRACTED MSO SHALL NOT BE ENTITLED TO ANY FURTHER
INCENTIVE BENEFIT BEYOND THOSE ALREADY RECEIVED. PAYMENTS ALREADY
RECEIVED ARE SUBJECT TO THE SAME REPAYMENT PROVISIONS IN PAR 2C.
E. A NCS MARINE WHO COMPLETES INITIAL ENTRY TRAINING AND IS
DISCHARGED OR RELEASED FROM ACTIVE DUTY PRIOR TO COMPLETION OF THE
ACTIVE DUTY COMMITMENT FOR:
(1) SERVICE CONNECTED DISABILITY;
(2) PREEXISTING MEDICAL CONDITION THAT THE SERVICE SECRETARY
CONCERNED DETERMINES IS NOT SERVICE CONNECTED;
(3) HARDSHIP;
(4) PHYSICAL OR MENTAL CONDITION THAT DID NOT RESULT FOR THE
INDIVIDUAL'S OWN WILLFUL MISCONDUCT, BUT DID INTERFERE WITH DUTY
PERFORMANCE;
(5) CONVENIENCE OF THE GOVERNMENT;
(6) INVOLUNTARY SEPARATED FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE GOVERNMENT AS A
RESULT OF REDUCTION IN FORCE.
IS ENTITLED TO A PRO RATA PORTION OF THE INCENTIVE CALCULATED AS THE
PROPORTION OF THE 8-YEAR MSO (96 MONTHS) DIVIDED BY THE NUMBER OF
MONTHS SERVED. DISCHARGES OR RELEASES FOR REASONS SET FORTH IN THIS
PAR ARE INTENDED TO BE THE SAME AS THE REASONS SET FORTH IN DODD
1322.16, MGIB PROGRAM UNDER WHICH A MEMBER IS ELIGIBLE FOR REDUCED
MGIB BENEFITS.
F. BONUS AND LOAN REPAYMENT OPTIONS WILL BE CONSIDERED AS TAXABLE
INCOME IN THE YEAR THAT THEY ARE PAID.
3. NCS MARINES ARE ELIGIBLE TO REENLIST/EXTEND FOR EXTENDED ACTIVE
DUTY PRIOR TO COMPLETION OF THEIR ACTIVE DUTY COMMITMENT PROVIDED
THEY MEET CURRENT SERVICE CRITERIA. SUCH REENLISTMENT/EXTENSION
MUST BE FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS AND WILL FULFILL THE SELRES
COMMITMENT PORTION OF THE MSO. NCS MARINES WILL NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR
A SELECTIVE REENLISTMENT BONUS FOR THIS INITIAL
REENLISTMENT/EXTENSION. THOSE NCS MARINES WHO REENLIST/EXTEND ON
ACTIVE DUTY FOR TWO YEARS, THE FOLLOWING DISPOSITION WILL BE TAKEN
IN RESPECT TO THEIR SELECTED INCENTIVE.
A. IF THE $5,000 WAS SELECTED, THE ENTIRE BONUS WILL BE PAID AT THE
TIME OF REENLISTMENT. THE NCS MARINE WILL ALSO BE ALLOWED TO ENROLL
IN MGIB BY COMPLETING A DD FORM 2366 AND HAVING THEIR PAY REDUCED
$100 PER MONTH FOR 12 MONTHS.
B. IF THE LOAN REPAYMENT WAS SELECTED, THE LOAN REPAYMENT WILL BE
MADE AT THE TIME OF REENLISTMENT. THE NCS MARINE WILL ALSO BE
ALLOWED TO ENROLL IN MGIB BY COMPLETING A DD FORM 2366 AND HAVING
THEIR PAY REDUCED $100 PER MONTH FOR 12 MONTHS.
C. IF EITHER OF THE EDUCATIONAL INCENTIVES WERE SELECTED, NCS
MARINES WILL RETAIN THAT INCENTIVE AND BE ALLOWED TO ENROLL IN THE
MGIB BY COMPLETING A DD FORM 2366 AND HAVING THEIR PAY REDUCED $100
PER MONTH FOR 12 MONTHS. NOTE THAT THE TOTAL EDUCATIONAL ALLOWANCE
ENTITLEMENT (NCS + MGIB) CANNOT EXCEED THEIR TOTAL MGIB BENEFITS.
4. USMC WILL ESTABLISH POLICIES TO FACILITATE SELRES SERVICE FOR
NCS MARINES, WITH THE GOAL OF ESTABLISHING SUCH SERVICE (SMCR UNITS,
IMA, AR), PRIOR TO RELEASE FROM ACTIVE DUTY.
A. THE MINIMUM DISTANCE A NCS MARINE MAY BE REQUIRED TO TRAVEL
INVOLUNTARILY BETWEEN RESIDENCE AND THEIR INACTIVE DUTY TRAINING
SITE (IDT) IS GOVERNED BY DODI 1215.18.
B. SOME NCS MARINES LEAVING ACTIVE DUTY WILL RELOCATE TO GEOGRAPHIC
AREAS THAT ARE NOT WITHIN THE AUTHORIZED DISTANCE OF A RESERVE
TRAINING CENTER TO FACILITATE MANDATORY PARTICIPATION. NCS MARINES
WHO DO NOT VOLUNTARILY ACCEPT ASSIGNMENT TO A SELRES UNIT OUTSIDE OF
THE AUTHORIZED TRAVEL DISTANCE MAY NOT BE INVOLUNTARILY ASSIGNED TO
A SELRES UNIT. THESE MARINES WILL BE ASSIGNED TO AN IMA BILLET WHEN
PRACTICABLE.
C. SECNAV MAY GRANT A WAIVER FOR SELRES SERVICE ONLY IN THOSE CASES
WHERE NEITHER UNIT NOR IMA BILLETS ARE AVAILABLE.
D. NCS MARINES WHO CONTRACT FOR SIX YEARS IN THE SELRES WILL BE
ELIGIBLE FOR THE MGIB-SELRES PROGRAM.
5. NCS MARINES WHO COMPLETE TWO-YEAR SELRES COMMITMENT WILL HAVE
THE OPTION OF CONTIUNING IN A SELRES STATUS, OR:
A. TRANSFER TO THE IRR FOR THE REMAINDER OF THEIR MSO.
B. SERVING ALL OR A PORTION OF THIS TIME IN A NSP (PEACE CORPS OR
AMERICORPS).
C. NCS MARINES WHO CHOOSE TO SERVE ALL OR A PORTION OF THEIR
FOLLOW-ON SERVICE IN ONE OF THE NSP WILL BE TRANSFERRED TO THE
STANDBY RESERVE FOR THE DURATION OF SERVICE. TRANSFER TO THE
STANDBY RESERVE IS CONTINGENT UPON RECEIPT OF AN ACCEPTANCE DOCUMENT
FROM A NSP.
6. THE TWO EDUCATIONAL ALLOWANCES WILL BE ADMINISTERED BY THE
DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS (DVA). THE DVA WILL USE THE EXISTING
MGIB DATA SYSTEM OPERATED BY THE DEFENSE MANPOWER DATA CENTER, WHICH
WILL PROVIDE ALL DOD DATA AND INFORMATION INTERFACE WITH DVA.
UTILIZATION OF THE ALLOWANCE WILL BE GOVERNED BY THE EXISTING RULES
OF THE MGIB-SELRES (CHAP 1606, 10 USC AND DVA REGULATIONS) WITH THE
FOLLOWING EXCEPTIONS.
A. BENEFIT RATES ARE PRESCRIBED IN SEC 3015, 38 USC.
B. BENEFIT MAY BE USED UP TO 14 YEARS AFTER COMPLETION OF THE
ACTIVE DUTY PHASE OF THE NCS PROGRAM.
C. BENEFIT MAY BE CONTINUED TO BE USED AFTER THE 2-YEAR SELRES
PHASE OF THE PROGRAM REGARDLESS OF CONTINUED SELRES PARTICIPATION OR
THE INDIVIDUAL MAY CHOOSE A DIFFERENT OPTION FOR COMPLETION OF THE
MSO.
D. SERVICES WILL FUND THE BENEFIT THROUGH THE DOD EDUCATION FUND
(DOD 7000.14R, VOL 12, CHAP 150).
7. THE FOLLOWING REPORTS ARE REQUIRED.
A. EACH MONTH SERVICES WILL REPORT NCS ENLISTMENTS AND ACCESSIONS
TO INCLUDE INCENTIVE SELECTION. THIS DATA WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO
THE REPORT OF MONTHLY STATISTICS PROVIDED TO OUSD (P&R)/ACCESSION
POLICY DIRECTORATE IN ACCORDANCE WITH DODI 7730.56. MONTHLY REPORTS
WILL BE COMPILED AT DMDC AND COORDINATED WITH THE SERVICES.
B. ANNUALLY SECNAV WILL PROVIDE OUSD (P&R) A LIST OF SKILLS OPEN TO
NCS MARINES FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR, NUMBER OF EXPECTED NCS
ACCESSIONS, AND LIMITATIONS, IF ANY, TO THE $18,000 CAP ON STUDENT
LOAN REPAYMENT INCENTIVE OPTION. THESE REPORTS ARE DUE NLT 31 JUL.
8. THE FOLLOWING COORDINATING TASKS ARE ASSIGNED.
A. M&RA (MPO) IS DESIGNATED THE OVERALL COORDINATING AUTHORITY
WITHIN THE MARINE CORPS FOR THE NCS PROGRAM.
(1) UPDATE REFS C-E TO INCORPORATE USMC NCS IMPLEMENTATION IN
ACCORDANCE WITH GUIDANCE PROVIDED BY DOD AND DON.
(2) IN CONJUNCTION WITH MCRC, MCCDC, PP&O, AND MARFORRES DEVELOP
AND PUBLISH THE ANNUAL RECRUITING PLAN (MEMO 01) AND NCS PROGRAM MOS
LIST.
(3) DEVELOP PROGRAM FOR TRACKING ENLISTMENT CODES FOR MCTFS THAT
WILL ALLOW TRACKING OF NCS MARINES THROUGHOUT THEIR 8-YEAR MSO.
(4) COORDINATE AND SUBMIT MONTHLY AND ANNUAL REPORTS AS PRESCRIBED
IN PAR 7.
(5) COORDINATE WITH TECOM FOR PRIMARY MOS SKILL TRAINING
SCHOOL SEATS.
(6) ASSIGN NCS MARINES IN ACCORDANCE WITH REF D.
(7) COORDINATE WITH P&R FOR FUNDING SUPPORT FOR NCS PROGRAM.
B. MCRC WILL HAVE PRIMARY STAFF COGNIZANCE FOR DEVELOPING AND
IMPLEMENTING RECRUITING POLICY AND PROCEDURES TO ACCESS NCS MARINES
IN SUPPORT OF THE NCS PROGRAM.
(1) RECRUIT MARINES IN ACCORDANDCE WITH REF C.
(2) COORDINATE WITH M&RA, MCCDC, AND MARFORRES TO INSURE NCS
MARINE ACCESSIONS MEET ANNUAL PLAN DELINEATED IN MEMO 01.
(3) COORDINATE WITH M&RA (MP) APPROPRIATE STATEMENTS OF
UNDERSTANDING (SOU) TO PROPERLY DOCUMENT NCS MARINES SELECTED
PROGRAM INCENTIVES.
C. MCCDC (TECOM) WILL ENSURE THAT NCS MARINES ARE TRAINED IN AN
EXPEDITIOUS MANNER TO MINIMIZE THEIR TIME IN MARINE COMBAT TRAINING
AND PRIMARY MOS SCHOOL(S).
D. MARFORRES ASSIGN NCS MARINES IN ACCORDANCE WITH REF E.
E. P&R WILL COORDINATE WITH M&RA TO ENSURE PROPER
FUNDING IS AVAILABLE TO SUPPORT THE NCS PROGRAM.//

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BrianWed Feb-18-04 06:19 PM
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"Is anybody LISTENING to the DEMOCRAT candidates?"
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Kerry / Edwards talking about 2 years of National Service right out of high-school with the 'reward' being a college education.

OK,

1. There ain't that many colleges.

2. There's not the facilities within the colleges to handle more millions of attendees.

3. Are ALL those eligible through National Service academically QUALIFIED for a college?

4. Would a Peace Corps stint be counted the same as serving in combat?

The list goes on, and on.

This sounds good on the podium, but I fear it's just campaign talk.

But to sell the idea of getting your but shot off, there has to be a powerful incentive. I'm not so sure a college education is enough anymore.

  

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CarbonDateTue Feb-17-04 10:09 PM
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"I still favor the draft...."
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...considering all circumstances. America deserves what it gets if they choose the Brand X Chimp.

Sorry if that offends, but I ran out of sympathy when the jingoism was running at full pitch in late 2002 through mid-2003. The war isn't something that most people think about. They prefer not to dwell on such unpleasant business; that's what the military is for. I have a little bit harder time imagining them being so dismissive if it becomes, "that's what my children are for."

Sorry to anybody who have kids who are draft age, but my military service obligation runs up until March of 2008, which is a couple of months before my 30th birthday. So we're all in this together. At least your kids will be off the hook when they turn 26.

  

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MadSatyristWed Feb-18-04 02:34 PM
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"Ties right in with this one, doesn't it?"
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http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:HR00163:@@@L&summ2=m&

SUMMARY AS OF:
1/7/2003--Introduced.
Universal National Service Act of 2003 - Declares that it is the obligation of every U.S. citizen, and every other person residing in the United States, between the ages of 18 and 26 to perform a two-year period of national service, unless exempted, either as a member of an active or reserve component of the armed forces or in a civilian capacity that promotes national defense. Requires induction into national service by the President. Sets forth provisions governing: (1) induction deferments, postponements, and exemptions, including exemption of a conscientious objector from military service that includes combatant training; and (2) discharge following national service.

Amends the Military Selective Service Act to authorize the military registration of females.

  

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